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Golf League

2009 updated 6/30/2009

League play is at Big Oaks Golf Course at 4:30pm

6/30/2009 dd
The Excel
Spreadsheet

It was told to me that let someone who knows Excel and good luck. We as a league are still standing. Thanks to everyone who has persisted and is still on our league! I pronounce that this week be old timers week (John Koady). Extend a hand and reach out to a senior member and thank them for sticking with it. My personal reach out is to John Konan (the barbarian), he knew Excel. I also thank the HAL computer, without it there would be no Excel (ouch Tom K). Bob J, you are doing too well to be recognized, try next year you sand bagger! (good job!)

As usual we might have a chance of rain Wednesday, so don't forget your rain gear!
Pleasant Prairie Weather

 

6/22/2009 dd
Eagles and Birdies

Since we all have averages, and I now have some extra time, I was able to go back and see how many Eagles and Birdies everyone has had. Take a look at the stats. Kelly E has had the only Eagle of the year. Mike J is on a roll with 5 Birdies and has the best league average with 39.8. The averages comparison has been updated also and the league as a whole is doing 0.8 points worse this year than last, could be the weather, or could be a great excuse.

I have a real need of some explanation of who won the Par 3's last week, don't be afraid to email me. From what I can determine there might be a carry over on the Par 3's on one hole, but I need someone to verify that. If so I will post the winners, but until then I will not because I have a nice chunk of change waiting to be paid out for the Skins etc...

As usual we might have a chance of rain Wednesday, so don't forget your rain gear!
Pleasant Prairie Weather

 

6/16/2009 dd
Done !!!

All players now have an average just in time for position round 1. The first of 3 position rounds will be 1st vs. 2nd, 3rd vs. 4th etc.. division 1. Same for division 2. Since we have an odd amount of teams in each division, 7th division 1 will play 7th place division 2. The second position round will be 1st place vs. 1st place in each division down the line. The 3rd and final position round will be the same as the first.

Bob C and Salvador won the Par 3's. The skins were split with 3 skins to Mike J, and one each for Rob C, Rodney N, and Kelly E. 

We might have a chance of rain tomorrow, so don't forget your rain gear!
Pleasant Prairie Weather

 

6/9/2009 dd
Almost There

Only 2 players need one more match to get their averages. The stats only have 4 empty spaces left to fill for the complete picture. This week should get us there.

 

6/4/2009 dd
Mike J Rules

Thanks to Mike J an audit was done to the books to date, ummm... I made a mistake, his team's score was entered into the books incorrectly. Well it is now fixed, and by the way I was messing Mike (I told him he lost the match), he did, single handedly, beat Salvador M and Brad S. Mike J does not have internet so he won't find out until next week unless someone calls him.

There was no other mistakes made (thank God)!

Congratulations to Salvador, the only skin winner! 2 of the 3 par three's were won by Mike J and Alberto G. There was one par three that carried over, so now I have to figure out how to carry it over? Stay tuned for more details...

 

6/2/2009 dd
Weather Sucks

Wednesday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 56. North wind between 10 and 15 mph.
NOAA Link here Pleasant Prairie Weather

Congratulations to Mike J, big winner on skins and par 3's. Mike won 3 skins on 1, 4, and 9, and pulled off a par 3. Also, Tim K 2 and Al H were in the mix of skins... Tim an Al please see Chris. And then here comes Alberto, boom, knocked out Salvador (I still have payouts for Salvador from prior, please see me). Let's hope that the weather is not anywhere near last week.

League fees are now online, scores will be up tomorrow... be on the look out.

 

5/26/2009 dd
Last Week of Averages

This week is the 3rd week of league play and most new players will attain their averages. Having said this you will notice that the stats are still pretty much F---ed up, but next week we will have some serious results and finally know where we stand as far as positions go.

Congratulations to Izzy winning the only skin last week. There were a couple players that did not get in that could have won some money... hint, hint. The Par 3's went to Bob J and Salvador M.

Anyone that would like to pay their dues please give the money to Chris D. So far Kelly E is the only one who has paid, thanks Kelly.

There is a chance of showers tomorrow mainly before 1:00pm, but don't forget to bring your rain gear just in case!

 

5/20/2009 dd
Stats

The stats for 5/13 are online, sorry so late, but there is not much to look at. Only 2 matches were put into the record books, we have a lot of new players this year and they will not establish their averages until 3 matches are played. 

Steve, Alberto, Tom and Chris's match was held over due to a rainout on the 9th hole. They will match scores for that hole this week.

Don P won the Skins and John C, Rob C, and Ernie R won the Par 3's

 

5/9/2009 dd
Emails

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Fri 5/8/2009 dd
Rain Out

Hello,

Wednesday's (5/6) match up was called because of rain. It was voted on and approved to shift the schedule by one week, thus using our 9/12 open date. The schedule is now locked. If we have another rain out, then the matches will be made up the following week as usual.

I want to thank everyone that filled out the Contact Info sheet. I am only missing one phone number, and emails are 16 out of 28. That's the best it has ever been in league history (correct me if I am wrong).

By popular request it was asked of me to post this email dialog pertaining to the Par-Takers golf league;


Mon 4/27/09 4:47 PM
Chris,

Since you are doing email postings you may or may not want to stick this on there.  I will tell you that I kept every email in a partakers file and the request to add Josh didn’t happen until the end of the season last year.  I think this was all an unfortunate misunderstanding as nobody was ever going to grill anyone about their playing ability.  I think as a group we can ask if any new member has played the game before. I appealed to Tom for another chance as he was instrumental in the running of the league last year and has been a member for a long time. Below you will see his response to my email and my email below that.  See you next Wednesday or this if you make it out there.  Peace out.

Kelley E

From: <Tom K>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:32 PM
To: <Kelly E>
Subject: Re: League Meeting

 Kelly,

With all due respect, the text in red is not accurate. There has been a waiting list for the past 3 years, not just started last year. I told you 2 springs ago, when we were still at Orchard Hills that Josh asked about joining the league and at that time you informed of this waiting list. When I mentioned this to you again at the beginning of last year, you said there were 3 players already on the list and yet somehow George, Curt, Ben & Jerry all managed to get into the league and my son was placed behind these 3 others you refer to. No, I didn't tell Steve or Josh about your BS. I told Josh we'll work on his game and next year we'll see if there is an opening. There are plenty of them now but I've had enough BS with this "instructional league" crap. It's ok for Chris, Jerry, Kevin, George and Randy to shoot in the 50's but I was told to be prepared to be questioned about my son's skill level. Fuck that shit. As far as I'm concerned Josh was screwed out of joining last year it is already set up to happen again. No thanks and there's no misunderstanding.

Again, saying that this "waiting list" was started last year is a crock of shit and you know it. As far as the league vote last year for president, sorry but I don't even recall it taking place. I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for Mike and I certainly would have nominated and voted for you. If that vote were today, it would abstain, and maybe you might now understand why .. If I were president I would make a serious statement about real issues, like kicking players out of the league that try to cheat every damn week. That Kelley, is a bunch of crap and I don't care who gets upset. Josh should have been in the league last year but since I'm not "in with the group", new teams and players were put in ahead of him. This is simple fact, decisions made well in advance of the league meeting that were prearranged by you and a select group. It's called cronyism.

Before Monday, Steve and I were looking forward to tonight's meeting. I greatly appreciated Mike's phone call ahead of time. I'm sure you would do the same thing for your son, protect him from was I was told was going to be a grilling session on skill level, leaving him humiliated. No thanks. People I thought were my friends just stuck a knife in my back and I don't care to be around them. It's time to move on.

Tom

From: <Kelly E>
To:
<Tom K>
Sent:
Wed, 8 Apr 2009 2:08 pm
Subject:
RE: League Meeting

Tom,

As I did not get the resignation email due to file size I am sending this reply out from the email that was sent on the 10th of March.

I think all of this has been blown out of proportion from the get go.  I will say that my initial reaction to the email on March the 10th was to respond and defend some of the rules and the size of the league. I also thought it important to discuss the people that have been on the waiting list which had been started last year. (Ernie R, Tim K(2), and Jim H) then at the end of the year your son and my nephew showed interest in the coming season if space permitted, or to be added to the list. I received some calls I guess as past president (some did not remember voting Mike in, but I assured them that at least 3 people voted (Ronnie twice) and that I was ready for time off the board) or perhaps since I have been either secretary or president since 1997 when Ronan made his early spring departure.  The calls were from members that either were offended in some way or just general questions about the league rules and what not.  So instead of responding to that email since all members are not on the email list I figured and said that all these things could be discussed at the April 8th meeting.  As is always the case anyone of us can make suggestions that are food for thought and then discussed and voted on as group at the spring meeting, as this has always been done in the past.

As emails can seem cold or indifferent I will say and I said to those that called or showed concern, I know that you meant to not offend anyone with this email or ever meant to disrespect any one member.  To anyone that thought these things I assured them that there was no intention of either. I am in agreement that this league has always been a group of guys that like to golf once a week and have fun.  Clearly if we play by rules that allow you to roll the ball & rake and place in traps one could argue that it’s more about fun than “real golf scoring”.  That said it is the norm in our league to have averages in the 40’s , 50’s , 60’s etc.

I am not sure how the discussion about your son went or exactly what was said, but I have to believe that it was misinterpreted.  I don’t believe that there any “ill feelings in the air” I also don’t for a moment believe that your boy’s are not welcome.  When my nephew Adam inquired about how to get in to the league and how it worked I explained to him (knowing that he was fairly new to the game) that we did in fact have a waiting list, that skill level wasn’t important due to handicapped averages and scoring but at the same rate he should have the basics of golf covered. I told him to continue playing and learning the ins and outs of the game and I also told him that when I started in the league my first year (played you and bob for the championship by the way) I did not know all the rules of golf and that he may learn a few things about golf that he did not know before. I didn’t think he was a good fit last year but wasn’t concerned since we had a waiting list and knew he was continuing to address the game.  Again I don’t know what exactly was said in your call with MJ but have to believe there was some misinterpretation of what he was saying.

When you came back to the league a few years back it was good to have a core member return from hiatus.  Your input and participation in the running of this league was more welcome than you will ever know as I had been shouldering responsibility for a long time.  It saddens me that you are going to again20not be part of the league and ask you to reconsider.  I would of responded much sooner to this cause but as I mentioned I did not receive copy of this until Joe Mabbit  forwarded it to me and I was up at Children’s all day yesterday as my son was getting his quarterly test done. (all good by the way).  I really hope that you have chance to reconsider.

Sincerely,
Kelley E

 

 

posted 4/25/2009 dd
Due to popular vote it has been decided that...
  • Mike J is President aka Commissioner
  • Chris D is Secretary

The 2009 rules can be found here...
http://www.par-takers.com/PartakersRules2009.htm

Thank You

 

Mon 4/06/09 8:50 PM
Resignation

All,

I want to thank Mike for the phone call tonight. It's my understanding that Jason and Randy won't be returning this year because of the email I sent out. It seems that they are pissed off about my comments regarding "chickenshit" players that won't show up if their partners aren't coming and I guess they aren't the only ones that were offended. Mike also mentioned that "many" were not receptive of my "suggestion" to have substitutes play in their place, something about me "wanting to change all the rules, and that the league is supposed to be for fun". I agree. It's not much fun when you look forward each week to play and you have no match because one of the opponents couldn't make it and the other player chose not to show up. Whatever. It was merely a suggestion and I apologize to those that were offended.

Mike also told me to be prepared to be questioned about my son Josh's playing ability, that "we don't want the league turning into an instructional league". The inference is clear and let me tell you, there are a good 4 to 6 players in the league now that he would beat heads-up on a regular basis but I'm going to protect him from such humiliation at the meeting. Perhaps a few of you former "hackers" that I watched grow into decent players over the years just might understand the anger and disrespect I feel about such derogatory comments. So be it. I've talked to Steve and he agrees with my positon. We will not be returning this year knowing there are such "ill feelings in the air". It seems that some "hackers" are welcome in this league but my sons are not. So be it.

Attached are the files for 2007, 2008, and 2009. I don't know what good it will do you with no one proficient with Excel but I'm sending it anyways.

I send my best wishes to Bob J, Joe M, Tim K, Mike J, Bob C, and Chris D., the guys I know as true friends going back to the early years of the league.

Chris, Tim or Joe,

Can you see to it that Bob, Bob and Mike get a copy of this since they don't have email? Thanks.

Regards,

Tom  

Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:52:06 -0400

Hey all,

It's that time of the year again. Mike asked me to send out a meeting notice because the fool still doesn't have a computer or online access. Anyways, we'll be meeting at the course at 5pm on Wednesday, April 8th.

FYI....Ben has left the league to play elsewhere with friends and Jerry has a replacement. It's my understanding that we have a person on the waiting list, sorry I forgot his name, that will be taking Perry's place as Bob's partner, with opinions that this would be a better fit than my son Josh who is also on the list and wants in. I'll go along with this.

This brings me to another situation we have. If you haven't heard, Bob Jackson went in for a check-up and ended up in surgery, a pacemaker was put in. He is expected to be out the first 4 weeks of the season. I'm not a doctor, nor am I a prognosticator so whether or not he is able to return at that time is a question mark. Who knows. If all works out on this assumption, great. However, our rules mandate that partners play together a minimum of 60% of their matches, that being 10 of the 16 weeks on the schedule. This means that any combination of Bob or Kevin missing 3 matches disqualifies them. This is something that Bob & Kevin need to discuss amongst themselves and make a decision.

What Kelley has said in the past, "that both partners not showing up doesn't count as a miss", is complete nonsense and needs to be clarified. If that was the case, both partners could be absent all but 3 weeks and show up together for 2 of them and be in the playoffs. Ridiculous to say the least. The league season is 16 weeks and both partners have to play together 10 of those weeks. CASE CLOSED. This is not unreasonable and it's the rule. We surely have others on the waiting list that will honor a commitment.

Now, back to Bob's situation. Having been his partner for many years and won several titles with him I wish only the best for him and his recovery. To maintain fairness to all of us in the league, and to keep our bases covered should Bob not be able to fulfill a season's commitment, I'll offer up a possible scenario. Perhaps my son Josh could play in his place until he returns. If he doesn't return or can't finish the season, we have a player that will have established a league handicap who can fill his spot. This takes the pressure off of Bob regarding his return date, whenever that may be, and gets Josh "in the door".

Having offered this up, we now have another topic of discussion for our meeting, the use of "league established handicapped subs" in place of no-shows and absences as an option. Just a thought. Personally, I'd like to see this used, at the digression of the opponents who don't want to play against one player. It will also deal with the chickenshit partners that won't show up if their partner can't make it. We only had 2 weeks where every player showed up so if we had subs available it's not like they wouldn't be able to play. In fact, we could count there scores to make truer averages. Just a thought... :-P

Expansion to 16 teams: Unlike my friend Kelley, I do not oppose expansion back to 16 teams. In fact, I'm for it. We eliminated our attendance issue when the "Abbott folk" left the league, no offense Don. Last year we had 53 total absences out of a possible 448. That is 88% attendance, very good in my opinion. When I talked to Kelley the end of last season he said we had 3 on the waiting list. If anyone knows of others that want to join our league I suggest that you have them show up at the meeting. 16 teams would require eliminating one of the three position rounds and extending the season by one week. No biggie. We used to operation on that schedule.

We have much to discuss at the meeting and I hope everyone shows up. We had a bad showing at last year's pre-season meeting and this makes group discussion on changes extremely difficult. We need to go over course boundary rules and what to do about indistinguishable markers as well.

If anyone has feedback to this email, please "Reply All" so we can have an open forum. I've attached my file and if anyone can fill in missing info on the "Contact Info" tab let me know.

Thanks and see you the 8th.

Tom 

 

The Par-Takers 2008 League Champions, Rob C and Tom R

 

9/4/2008

Guys,

We have an open date for next Wednesday. How about a scramble? We discussed this yesterday and I'm sending out a note. For those that don't know what a scramble is, I'll explain. 4-man teams with balanced averages as best we can arrange. Such as low average, medium low average, medium high average and high average players on each team. Everyone hits a tee shot and then the team takes the best one and then each player then hits the second shot and takes the best second shot. Then each player gets a chance to putt (usually the case). Low team score wins.
 
Tom

 

8/14/2008

Hey all,

What an incredible finish we are going to have this year. In Division I we have three teams that are only 3.5 points apart and playing for the last playoff spot with only one team being mathematically eliminated. In Division II we have five teams that are only 4.5 points apart and playing for the division title and all four playoff spots. 

REMINDER!!!  Considering this situation, there is a good possibility we may have a tie and if so, it needs to be resolved next week so don't leave after you are done playing. We've been getting a late start out of the gate almost every week and like I said last week, daylight is critical. Everyone needs to make a conscious effort to get to the course earlier next week in the event we need to have a playoff. Everyone has busy schedules and the chance of resolving a playoff on another night prior to the playoffs is highly unlikely and I'd hate to see any ties having to be broken by a coin flip.  

Tom

 

8/11/2008

Hey all,

Kelley & I discussed the "Metzger Rule" yesterday and neither of us were sure as to whether the requirement was 60% or 2/3's. Since neither one of us has a copy of last year's rules we decided to go with the same limit we had last year, even though the season is 2 weeks shorter because of fewer teams. Last year the limit was 6 combined absences per team and I have updated the last column in the "Averages" tab accordingly. Bob & Perry, this means you are not disqualified from the playoffs and are still in the hunt and are at the limit of 6.

As you can see, races are incredibly tight going into the last 2 weeks in both divisions. The possibility of us repeating last year's situation, where we ended up with teams tied for a final playoff spot is real. With this said, I encourage everyone that may find themselves in this situation to not to leave the course after the position round on 8/20 so that a playoff can take place immediately, daylight permitting. We have no rules in place for this format and if next week doesn't make the picture clearer we will need to have an open forum on how to pick holes and how many of them. I would think that 2 holes would be a minimum, to allow for no stroke and stroke assigned holes for fairness if necessary. Or if the teams involved want to play a full match before the first playoff round, I say fine. Just my thoughts.

On a negative note, there has been several complaints over the past few weeks about 2 to 3 open holes between groups due to slow play. If you find yourself to be the cause of this, either play faster, let groups through, or tee off later. We are now in August and daylight is becoming a critical factor and we can't have people finishing in the dark because of this. It's not fair to those that are sitting and waiting.

Thanks,

Tom


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